央广专汤圆是冷水煮还是热水煮 访丨“晴空”项目设计者伊万诺维奇上校

中国参赛车组五位队员，在取得优异成绩后举着国旗，围着赛场向观众致意

从7月底到8月上旬的10天时间里，来自中国、俄罗斯、白俄罗斯等7国“晴空”项目参赛队在库尔勒为人们奉献了一场精彩的比赛。作为顶级防空兵代表队之间的较量，这项比赛有什么特点？未来还会有哪些改变？就相关话题，央广记者李钦帅、谢芳专访了这个项目的最初设计者，来自俄罗斯的项目裁判委员会裁判伊万诺维奇上校。

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<img class="img_loading" data-vid="w0757uk59ku" src="http://news.ifeng.com/a/20180815/data:image/gif;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAYAAAAfFcSJAAAADUlEQVQImWNgYGBgAAAABQABh6FO1AAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==" style="width: 677px !important; height: 380.812px !important;"/><span style="text-align: justify;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);font-size: 14px;color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">专访“晴空”项目设计者伊万诺维奇上校 </span></p><p style="text-align: justify;line-height: 1.75em;"><span style="text-align: justify;background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br/></span></p><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="display: inline-block;width: 100%;border-width: 1px;border-style: solid;border-color: rgb(226, 226, 226);padding: 10px;box-shadow: rgb(226, 226, 226) 0px 16px 1px -13px;box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="font-size: 16px;text-align: justify;">“晴空”防空兵比赛，是专为陆军防空兵而设计的军事比赛项目。2015年受“坦克两项”比赛的影响，伊万诺维奇创办了旨在加强各参赛国经验交流与合作的“防空战斗能手”比赛，这就是“晴空”项目的前身。</span></section></section></section></section></section></section></section><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="margin: 20px 0%;text-align: center;box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="display: inline-block;width: 95%;vertical-align: top;box-shadow: rgb(158, 158, 158) 0px 0px 4px;box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="margin-right: 0%;margin-bottom: -7px;margin-left: 0%;box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="max-width: 100%;vertical-align: middle;display: inline-block;box-shadow: rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px;box-sizing: border-box;"><img _width="100%" class=" img_loading" data-backh="353" data-backw="531" data-before-oversubscription-url="http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/nbO9ygdwu6qCxiaYQafoCfch9IGgUeIgvNyZyzGX3eO0fjohz2pnNA23icUq1gAoCKJnVa6bsd6xaFiaNooj7oQXg/0?wx_fmt=jpeg" data-copyright="0" data-cropselx1="0" data-cropselx2="531" data-cropsely1="0" data-cropsely2="297" data-ratio="0.6666666666666666" data-src="http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/nbO9ygdwu6qCxiaYQafoCfch9IGgUeIgvNyZyzGX3eO0fjohz2pnNA23icUq1gAoCKJnVa6bsd6xaFiaNooj7oQXg/640?wx_fmt=jpeg" data-type="jpeg" data-w="1080" src="http://news.ifeng.com/a/20180815/data:image/gif;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAYAAAAfFcSJAAAADUlEQVQImWNgYGBgAAAABQABh6FO1AAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==" style="vertical-align: middle; 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box-sizing: border-box; width: 640px !important; height: 53px !important;"/></section></section></section></section></section></section></section></section><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="display: inline-block;width: 100%;border-width: 1px;border-style: solid;border-color: rgb(226, 226, 226);padding: 10px;box-shadow: rgb(226, 226, 226) 0px 16px 1px -13px;box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="font-size: 16px;text-align: justify;">在伊万诺维奇的印象中，2015年的比赛更像是一场军事嘉年华，参赛队之间加深了友谊，增进了了解，但没有在军事训练领域进行实质性的合作与交流。比赛结束后，他意识到，要想让这项比赛继续充满生命力，就必须对赛事内容进行完善。</span></section></section></section></section></section></section></section><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="margin: 20px 0%;text-align: center;box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="display: inline-block;width: 95%;vertical-align: top;box-shadow: rgb(158, 158, 158) 0px 0px 4px;box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="margin-right: 0%;margin-bottom: -7px;margin-left: 0%;box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="max-width: 100%;vertical-align: middle;display: inline-block;box-shadow: rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px;box-sizing: border-box;"><img _width="100%" class=" img_loading" data-backh="353" data-backw="531" data-before-oversubscription-url="http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/nbO9ygdwu6qCxiaYQafoCfch9IGgUeIgvStBmAQI2cZV6aSLXm3L2MKgRQ7MYczOH3VEosaKGJFBy2Z6rZtX5Fw/0?wx_fmt=jpeg" data-copyright="0" data-cropselx1="0" data-cropselx2="531" data-cropsely1="0" data-cropsely2="297" data-ratio="0.6666666666666666" data-src="http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/nbO9ygdwu6qCxiaYQafoCfch9IGgUeIgvStBmAQI2cZV6aSLXm3L2MKgRQ7MYczOH3VEosaKGJFBy2Z6rZtX5Fw/640?wx_fmt=jpeg" data-type="jpeg" data-w="1080" src="http://news.ifeng.com/a/20180815/data:image/gif;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAYAAAAfFcSJAAAADUlEQVQImWNgYGBgAAAABQABh6FO1AAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==" style="vertical-align: middle; 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box-sizing: border-box; width: 640px !important; height: 53px !important;"/></section></section></section></section></section></section><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="display: inline-block;width: 100%;border-width: 1px;border-style: solid;border-color: rgb(226, 226, 226);padding: 10px;box-shadow: rgb(226, 226, 226) 0px 16px 1px -13px;box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="font-size: 16px;text-align: justify;">“晴空”项目在４年时间里得到了不断的丰富与发展，价值与意义也已经超出了伊万诺维奇当初的设想。尤其是那些在赛场上胜出的士兵，在他看来，他们会成为宝贵的火种。</span></section></section></section></section></section></section></section><section style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="margin: 20px 0%;text-align: center;box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="display: inline-block;width: 95%;vertical-align: top;box-shadow: rgb(158, 158, 158) 0px 0px 4px;box-sizing: border-box;"><section class="V5" powered-by="xiumi.us" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="margin-right: 0%;margin-bottom: -7px;margin-left: 0%;box-sizing: border-box;"><section style="max-width: 100%;vertical-align: middle;display: inline-block;box-shadow: rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px;box-sizing: border-box;"><img _width="100%" class=" img_loading" data-backh="353" data-backw="531" data-before-oversubscription-url="http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/nbO9ygdwu6qCxiaYQafoCfch9IGgUeIgv1NcMh7TLWo9kZU0JbGAlElEqfPiaSYsxUwARG1MlpialKdSX5odXPwsQ/0?wx_fmt=jpeg" data-copyright="0" data-cropselx1="0" data-cropselx2="531" data-cropsely1="0" data-cropsely2="297" data-ratio="0.6666666666666666" data-src="http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/nbO9ygdwu6qCxiaYQafoCfch9IGgUeIgv1NcMh7TLWo9kZU0JbGAlElEqfPiaSYsxUwARG1MlpialKdSX5odXPwsQ/640?wx_fmt=jpeg" data-type="jpeg" data-w="1080" src="http://news.ifeng.com/a/20180815/data:image/gif;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAYAAAAfFcSJAAAADUlEQVQImWNgYGBgAAAABQABh6FO1AAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==" style="vertical-align: middle; 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